Wednesday, August 18, 2010

Atheist(s) how do you square your life with this?

Based on scientific facts at cosmic level how do you square your life with these:





1. If before the big bang there was nothing but after it we live in an infinitely expanding universe 'open-universe theory' then how is the finality of your death absolute?





2. If the big bang is just focal point in a universe cyclically expanding and contracting 'big crunch' followed on by a big bang and the cycle repeating itself .. “oscillating universe theory” .What makes you certain there is no re-incarnation or that this is the only life you’ve lived?





3. If we live in a universe that we judge to be observable, but scientific reason does not dispute that outer reaches of universe beyond observation exist( time and distance considerations not observable merely due to 'limits of light travel' in that continuum)...what makes you certain there does not lie a realm or universe beyond what you observe?








NB: For all those ready to say that with the ‘open universe theory’ the universe will succumb to a big ‘freeze’ or ‘rip’ ergo ‘death’. That is an extrapolation hinged on our lack of perception in point 3.If someone moves out of your line of sight he/she does not cease to exist …what is more it is entirely conceivable that point 3 makes a multi-verse (multiple universes) possible this still makes all 3 questions valid.





What say you?Atheist(s) how do you square your life with this?
';If before the big bang there was nothing but after it we live in an infinitely expanding universe 'open-universe theory' then how is the finality of your death absolute?';


Concepts like ';before'; and ';nothing'; don't really make sense without time, and matter, both of which are products of the big bang. The question doesn't really make sense.





';What makes you certain there is no re-incarnation or that this is the only life you’ve lived?';


I'm not certain. I just see no reason to think that re-incarnation is true. (The big crunch model has largely been abandoned, by the way.)





';what makes you certain there does not lie a realm or universe beyond what you observe?';


Many things exist that I cannot observe. However, it's pointless to guess about these things, if they cannot be observed by anyone, and it's ridiculous to claim you know what the ';other realms'; are, if you have no reason to think they exist.Atheist(s) how do you square your life with this?
I don't understand the science behind the ';big bang'; but I don't think it has anything to do with death. I haven't seen good evidence that souls exist.





I'm not going to believe in something just because it *might* be possible.





That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
i liked your question but i'm too tired to go into detail answering it. i will just answer by saying you are putting a 3d reference on a universe that probably started out with 12.





of course there is that little tidbit about the actuating event i haven't resolved yet.
';The existence of an unsolved problem in physics is not evidence for a supernatural explanation any more then the existence of an unsolved crime is evidence that a ghost committed it.';
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urN1uo_7K…
A 1. fark knows


A 2. see answer 1


A 3. see answer 2





I am no scientist.


And still the personal god thingymajig doesn't exist
1. That is not proof that consciousness lives after death





2. Same as 1





3. True
Who cares? God doesn't exist. Filling the gaps in our knowledge with God, or reincarnation or an afterlife doesn't make it real or true either.
I don't square it I cube it.
(my life) * (my life) is the way i'd square it
I don't have all those answers but I know for a fact that gods don't exist.
can you prove god exist ? end of discussion
All these things are theories, one of them might be true, maybe none of them, there are still some things we don't yet know. Not knowing about something is no reason to fill in the gaps with various things we can imagine and then believing in them as if they were true.





If there are other dimensions, we don't know what their nature is or if it has any baring at all on us and the way we exist, and there is certainly no reason to think that we all go there after we die. There is no reason to think we go anywhere after we die, mainly because by then we're dead, our brain functions have ceased.





In all these possible explanations, there are various possibilities about what might happen to the matter our bodies are composed of, and what the true nature of the universe is, but these are still physical things, they have nothing to do with notions and beliefs about the ';supernatural'; These are two different subjects, the nature of both of them being ambiguous to say the least:) :)
1. Biological death has nothing to do with an open universe. Death is about the cessation of biological functions in a particular organism.





2. Why would anyone think biological life should somehow mimic the universe as a whole? That just doesn't make sense.





3. I'm not certain. There may well be other universes beyond what I can observe.





Are you a bit confused about the definition of ';atheist';? You're asking cosmology questions. Atheists just don't believe that any deities are running the universe.
1. See 2.





2. Because we also have scientific proof that awareness is connected to the brain, which dies with the body.





3. Just because WE are not infinite doesn't make infinity impossible. Space and time are infinite. Why can't the universe be? That would make sense, seeing as how the universe is the medium of space and time.





There are no ';outer reaches.'; The confines of the universe are the fabric of reality themselves which is continually cycling due to infinite space and time.





It's pretty easy to square my life up with it really. I'm motivated enough to do the research and smart enough to understand it, while simultaneously managing to find joy in the little microcosm I call my life.





Where's the issue?
1. The two concepts are not related, so this question is meaningless. It is like asking ';If I pick out the right numbers in the lottery, what colour are oranges?';.





2. See 1.





3. I don't know that, of course. It is not knowable. There is no way to know something that cannot be known. What I will not do is assume something and then use whatever justification I can find to support it - that is anti-science.
1. erm there was something before the big bang called a singularity. and what has this to do with death?


death is final because your mind is what your brain does. if the brain dies the mind is gone. period.





2. look of course the matter that im composed of can form new life after my death but that wouldnt be ';me'; so its not reincarnation.





3. nothing. but if we cant observe it, this means that it does not effect our universe in any way. because if it had any effect we could detect, measure and research this effect.
I don't know what an infinitely expanding universe has to do with death.





Also, just because the universe may be cyclic, it doesn't follow that a certain species of animal on an insignificant planet lives multiple lives.





No. 3 is the only one in which you make some sort of sense. I am not certain that there are not multiple universes. All we can do is go by what we can observe now, and as of now there is no evidence for these things. If a ';multiverse'; was found to be true, then it would be very exciting, but it wouldn't prove that there was a God or a heaven.
I don't have the requirement to 'square my life' with your hypotheses.





My responsibilities lie with ethics in the here and now, not with theology.





You seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions based upon a mess of hypothesis.





';1. If before the big bang there was nothing but after it we live in an infinitely expanding universe 'open-universe theory' then how is the finality of your death absolute?';





What has brain death/end of consciousness got to do with the Universe? As for there being 'nothing' before this Universe, I don't know if that is true, this universe could be a bubble in a larger multiverse or omniverse. That would make more sense than anything you've said so far. And I can't see that any of it relates to biological life cycles or the death of the brain.
I say you know nothing about science and have not bothered to check even basic facts before posting!!





Science explains the big bang was not from nothing but from a singularity that was all the matter and energy in the universe compressed into a single point that then expanded rapidly!!





So in answer to your question it was always here!!





But why are BAD christians always claiming the big bang came from nothing? Are they that ignorant? Did they sleep through school or is it that they know the truth but think they can twist it because everyone is gullible?!!





I further say that you are being ridiculed and reviled by GOOD christians and that you are completely out of touch with mainstream christianity!!





The Pope, Catholic Church, Church of England and mainstream churches all accept evolution and the big bang!!





Lord Carey the former Archbishop of Canterbury put it rather well – “Creationism is the fruit of a fundamentalist approach to scripture, ignoring scholarship and critical learning, and confusing different understandings of truth”!!
i liek you, you seem smart ;-)





1-i dont know, i dont presume or assuem that it is for definate absolute, i do believe in the possibility of an 'afterlife' where we live as energy





2-again, i dont know, i dotn presume or assume thats definate either


i am perfecly willing to accept the possibility exists that reincarnation is soemthing that coudl happen, but we just dont know the details





3-agian, nothing, as i am willing to accept the possibility of other universes, as well as other dimensions, and soem of them coudl be 'heven and hell' esque planes, and there coudl be an all energy plane
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